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barbie was rightly called the butcher of

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leon

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somebody who had committed awful crimes

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in france

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klaus barbie became the leader of a gang

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of torturers and killers

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he thought he was untouchable

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the claasvelts are the most successful

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nazi hunters of all

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i know that i endanger my life i was

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nervous very very much

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you have to pay one day

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for the crime to commit it

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september 1971

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german radical vienna clarksville

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leads a protest on the steps of a munich

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court

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we were very angry

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we had to do something she is outraged

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by the court's decision to drop the case

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against nazi war criminal klaus barbie

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if he would die unpunished it would be a

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defeat of justice

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fled europe after the war

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but biata and her husband serge

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clarksville are prepared to hunt him

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down to the ends of the earth

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we decided one day to do something for

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justice not for vengeance but for

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justice

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klaus barbie the former gestapo chief in

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lyon has the blood of thousands of

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french jews on his hands

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it was known that he was no more in

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germany that he was somewhere else in

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south america

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the prosecutor in

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munich he said you know there's no way

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to pursue darby we have not the proof

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we hope that with a demonstration

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the prosecutor will change his mind

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biata encourages relatives of barbie's

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victims to join the protest

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madame ben gigi who was a mother of

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three boys who were arrested by klaus

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barbie

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and she started a hunger strike and

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beato remained close to her and

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explained to the people what happened

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exactly

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there was a an orphanage full of jewish

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children in a little village called izir

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not too far from lyon

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and uh one day in 1944 uh barbie

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arranges for the entire orphanage to be

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cleared out

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these are just very very young children

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they're sent to the transit camp at

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and from there they're dispatched to

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madame bengigi never saw her boys again

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keski

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barbie on april 7 1944

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signed a

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telex

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telling that the

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children orphanage was liquidated by the

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arrested

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and deported

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the case against barbie has been dropped

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for lack of evidence the prosecutor

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can't prove that barbie knew he was

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sending the children to their deaths

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but the other claims to have

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incriminating new evidence

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and the german television arrived also

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and when the general prosecutor saw that

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he decided to have bayata and madame ben

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gigi to come in his office

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and he said mrs clarksville what do you

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want i said i had papers

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two proofs crimes klaus barbie committed

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she presents a report on a witness in

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lyon

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who once heard barbie say deported jews

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would be killed

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the general prosecutor told to beat find

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the direct witness who heard that

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and i will reopen the case

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when biata asks for the prosecutor's

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promise in writing

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he says no

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his secretary has gone home

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i said you know i will write your

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promise

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he had a typewriter in his office and i

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said please tell me what i have to write

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and i wrote it and then he signed and

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with this letter i could go back to

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france

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biata and her husband serge have

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dedicated their lives to hunting down

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nazi criminals

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they're an extraordinary couple serge is

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french and his father had been taken

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away by the gestapo for being jewish

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i decided that

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i did not survive for

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nothing

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biata was german she was a german

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student and she met serge literally on

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then two or three days later and then he

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told me that he is jewish and that his

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father has been deported and garcia

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and biata's father during the war had

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fought with the german army

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and it took serge to open her eyes and

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and make her aware of of quite how vile

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and repellent the nazi regime had been

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when i heard the story of my husband for

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miss was sure that i have to do

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something as a german

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with a young couple married not a lot of

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arnold was born my son

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i said you know we cannot say nothing so

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i found a witness who was

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an attorney

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the lawyer tells serge he met klaus

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barbie at gestapo headquarters in lyon

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a group of jewish prisoners were

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awaiting execution

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and that he intervened and he told to

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klaus barbie please i supply ask you

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not to kill them deport them

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bobby replied

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deported or shot it's the same thing

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this is arguments in hand

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i went back to munich and the prosecutor

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reopens the case

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what beyonce does is she she reminds the

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authorities that the victims and the

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victims families

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are still there this is a current thing

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it's it's only 25 26 years on

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the prosecutor has been won over by the

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clarksville's arguments

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he hands viata a recent photo of a group

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of businessmen in bolivia

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one man looked suspiciously like the

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butcher of lyon

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prosecutor said you know i give you this

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photo you go back to france and you ask

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survivors to compare

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to this photo and to ask them if they

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think it's klaus barbie

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it's opportunity for me to assume my

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responsibilities and to fight as a

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german in order to bring the butcher of

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their children to justice

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the clarksville's hunt for klaus barbie

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has begun

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the art brought the photo to the french

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police

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and ask is it the same man as klaus

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barbie in 1943

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this was a very important moment

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two photos they analyzed and they told

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non-officially that it is the same man

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always in our work we had been motivated

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sure but it was with

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more sorrow and more i would say

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emotion if you think about the killing

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of the children you know

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the clarksvilles learn more of barbie's

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dark past

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south barbie went to pretty religious

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school where he flourished and he

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thought that actually he might become a

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priest

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but at age 19

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barbie volunteered for the nazi party

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he rose quickly through the ranks from

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the hitler youth to the gestapo

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holland 1941

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now a lieutenant barbie helped round up

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the country's 140 000 jews

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he was rewarded with an iron cross

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before becoming head of the gestapo in

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lyon france

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it was a crucial city leon at that time

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a hotbed of a lot of french resistance

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activity

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and the gestapo in order to counter this

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resistance

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did so with the utmost brutality

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and in klaus barbie they had the perfect

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klaus barbie is well known he's the

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butcher of lyon he was known for the

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crimes he committed in france during the

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war

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he was essentially a butcher and he did

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just see people as flesh that he could

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beat around cut abuse inject do what he

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liked with

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biana's next move is to go public with

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the barbie photos

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beater made such a noise in germany

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that the photo of claus barbie appeared

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in all the new german newspapers but the

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reaction they're hoping for doesn't come

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from germany

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it comes from halfway around the world

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a phone call from lima peru

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and a man living in

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lima

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told us

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that

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he suspected this businessman

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whose name was klaus altman to be in

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fact klaus barbie

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he

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got a picture of klaus aldman

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and he sent this photo and saying you

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know this admin

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certainly barbie is living here in lima

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and these photos were analyzed

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and he was the same man

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so we were sure that barbie and aldman

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were the same

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there's no doubt for us no doubt at all

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for barbie the road to peru has been

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long and

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twisty in 1944 with allied forces

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closing in he fled to germany desperate

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to evade capture by the french

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barbie then just you know gets rid of

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his uniform at the war's end and he

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almost became a beggar just sort of kind

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of tramping the roads with a load of

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other nerdy wells he spent two years on

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the run

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but then with the emergence of the cold

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barbie's fortunes took a surprising turn

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after the war he was hired by the

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americans as an anti-communist agent

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they had known that he had this time in

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lyon which was brutal but it was very

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much a case of kind of not wanting to

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so he became an agent in the service of

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the american secret service and he was

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at the beginning of the cold war the

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americans the british the french

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needed men like barbie to spy on the

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soviets

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but by 1951 his value as a spy was in

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doubt his contacts are drying up the

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americans know that the information

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coming in is poor yet at the same time

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they don't want to hand him over to the

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french first thing class barbie is going

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to say i've been working for the

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americas that would be deeply

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embarrassing

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so the americans think what are we going

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to do we can't kill him we we can't give

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him to the french we can't just let him

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lead a normal life

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so we're gonna have to help him escape

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they plugged in to the escape network

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that was working for the rest of the

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nazis and they sent

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barbie down that red line

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they issue barbie with a false name

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false papers and barbie and his family

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managed to escape

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through to genoa and then on a boat to

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latin america

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klaus barbie probably looked at bolivia

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because it was so off the beaten track

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not easy to get there then

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and so i think bolivia was seen as a

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place where you know you can sort of

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disappear in the woodwork

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but even in bolivia the former gestapo

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chief could not escape his past

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when he settled in la paz in 1951 he

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would go to the german club and he had

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difficulties with a few people

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that's when they began to discover that

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he had tendencies towards national

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socialism

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and a few members didn't sympathize with

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him

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now 1971

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money-making schemes have brought him to

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lima peru

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[Music]

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the klars fell's mission is to bring the

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butcher of lyon to trial in europe

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it's not difficult to kill but we don't

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want to give we want a trial

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it was important to bring him to justice

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because he had to pay for his crimes in

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front of an ordinary court

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she decides right

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i've got a young family doesn't matter

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i'm gonna get on the plane i'm not just

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gonna sit in paris and you know issue

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press releases

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[Music]

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i'm going to lima

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to ask on the spot the exhibition of

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plough barbie

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[Music]

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what started out as a fight for justice

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in europe has become a chase across

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continents

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[Music]

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so she flies to lima and she arrives in

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the dead of night

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i'm alone i have no bodyguards no

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secretary

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but nevertheless she's a woman of

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immense energy she decides that she's

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going to give you know countless

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statements to the press

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it's a protection for me in the

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newspapers announced my arrival

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peruvian authorities take action

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but not against piata

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hoping to avoid an international

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incident they force barbie to leave the

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country immediately

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that's when the peruvian national police

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escorted him to the border

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he fled to bolivia as he was a bolivian

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citizen

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because there was no treaty of

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extradition between bolivia and france

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he came back to bolivia

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now at this stage many of us would have

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given up and thought well the chase is

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over but nobody gets on a plane

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as i said my place to fight is now la

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paz bolivia

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i think it was part of him that that was

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daring it was like catch me if you can

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and it was defiant

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[Music]

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my aim was to make public who is this

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man they are hiding

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i had a file about his past and i

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delivered to the newspapers and also to

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the minister of justice the chief of the

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police in order to sell them klaus

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eisman is slough barbie

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you have to extradite them

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but in seeking to expose a mass murderer

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she exposes herself to danger

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there was a dictator at that time in

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bolivia

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and the head of police very strong and

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very cruel

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so biato was arrested released arrested

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again

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i know that i endanger my life but i'm

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not so much concentrated on this

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biata is not detained long but it is

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clear barbie has friends in high places

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friends who've been watching his back

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since the first day he came to bolivia

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in 1951. he was protected by the

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bolivians because when he entered the

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country it was a dictatorship and no

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doubt they had known about his

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activities

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in germany and in france

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all the nasty things horrendous things

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he did served him well in bolivia

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because he knew a lot about

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interrogation

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and he's using all his gestapo

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experience to advise the dictatorships

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and how to deal

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with anybody who's against the regime

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so there were some really shady deals

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going on in the 60s and the 70s

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involving the military

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[Music]

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barbie becomes an arms dealer and he

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manages to do so by setting up his own

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little maritime business it's called

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trans maritima boliviana

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he uses it basically to launder money

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sell arms

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he was accused of trafficking arms but

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he was never proven

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at one point he is given ten thousand

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dollars to take some cargo by the

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bolivian government but he never bothers

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to do anything with the cargo and just

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pockets the money

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after four days in la paz piata's

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campaign gained some traction

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members of the jewish community and many

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bolivians were obviously very very

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incensed about the fact that

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you know bolivia was a home to a former

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nazi

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the national press began making all

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sorts of conjectures and it did bother

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him he had been discovered

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but the government still refuses to

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extradite him

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the bolivian government

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considers that uh

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barbie under the name of altman was

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really a bolivian citizen biata decides

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to continue her fight on home turf

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on her way to paris she has a stopover

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in

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lima where government authorities are

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waiting

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she's in this police office she says why

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am i here and then goes well we're

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worried about your safety

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the peruvian police informed vienna

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she's received death threats

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having made such trouble and identifying

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klaus barbie and he had friends in lima

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was a friend of barbie

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was an active pro nazi

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they threatened and saying you know we

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will take vengeance on mrs clarksville i

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was nervous very very much

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she says well just give me a gun i'm

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perfectly happy to go around you know

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looking after myself

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i'm more afraid about not to fulfill my

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work than physical

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fear you know

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police protected me until my return to

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france

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[Music]

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she comes back home to the paris

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apartment and finds that serge has left

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it in a mess with the children

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so as soon as she gets back she goes

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straight back into the domestic role of

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washing their clothes cleaning and

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cooking

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so it's extraordinary to think this sort

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of middle-class parisian housewife is

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also conducting this great fight for

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justice

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that fight will soon gain an unexpected

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ally

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klaus barbie's past is about to catch up

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with him

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just one week after her media blitz

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piata's bold tactic appears to pay off

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bolivian authorities are pressured into

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taking action against barbie

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he was arrested by the bolivian security

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the excuse

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government officials claim barbie has an

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unpaid debt of four thousand dollars

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now desperate to raise cash barbie takes

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a huge gamble

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he grants an interview to french tv

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for two thousand dollars

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he speaks in german i am not klaus

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barbie

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i have never tortured and i don't know

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about klaus barbie i hadn't been in lyon

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and at one moment he asked him a

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question in french

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[Music]

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he replied you know so

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was one element more to know that he is

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klaus barbie and he knows french and he

519
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had been lyon

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barbie was utterly brutal he would

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half drown the victims from freezing

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baths

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at one point he injected some acid into

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somebody's lungs

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one of his favorite little techniques

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was to shoot people in such a way the

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top of a flight of stairs

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that when he shot them in the back of

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their head their dead body would do a

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perfect somersault

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and he would pride himself on getting it

532
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just right i mean it was his craft if

533
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you like

534
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one day after the barbie interview airs

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serge clarksville joins a noisy protest

536
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in front of the bolivian embassy in

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paris

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we had to fight

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with a great energy to the extreme

540
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end of their

541
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strengths

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two days later the french president

543
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calls for barbie's extradition

544
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the bolivian government

545
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told that the reply will be given by the

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supreme court determined to influence

547
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the court's decision biata starts

548
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planning a return trip to bolivia we had

549
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to fight with a

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south american dictatorship

551
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meanwhile in la paz barbie uses his

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interview fee to pay back part of his

553
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government debt

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enough to buy his freedom

555
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two weeks later biata arrives

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armed with a new strategy

557
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went back to bolivia who is the mother

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of uh

559
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three children who were arrested in his

560
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year

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the only surviving brother of those

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children is alexandra helenbrenner

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my mother didn't hesitate for a second

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she said for the love of the children i

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will go

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[Music]

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we had the poster saying

568
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bolivian population

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i'm the mother of the children deported

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by klaus barbie

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we ask you to send klaus barbie back to

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justice to france

573
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,360
the government said to beyeta if you

574
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,520
speak to the press we'll put you in

575
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:37,760
prison

576
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,840
doing that in a military dictatorship

577
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,480
takes a lot of guts especially in the

578
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,480
70s you don't want to end up in a prison

579
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,720
at that point in that country but she

580
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,720
did

581
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,120
bolivian authorities are desperate to

582
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,120
shut her up

583
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:55,039
but realizing her arrest could lead to

584
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:58,480
more media attention

585
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:58,480
they decide to let her go

586
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,960
in the three weeks they were there

587
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,799
every day they were on the front page on

588
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,720
every newspaper they were talking about

589
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:10,720
bieter clare's felt and mrs holland

590
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:18,240
on their last day in bolivia

591
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,240
biata makes her strongest stand yet

592
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:23,760
they chained themselves to a bench until

593
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,760
night time

594
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,559
we have always to take a spectacular

595
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,720
actions because if not the newspapers

596
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:34,039
wouldn't speak about it we gave them

597
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,039
what they wanted

598
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:39,760
the police came several times and ripped

599
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,559
up the posters and each time the

600
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,880
bolivians remade them

601
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:46,320
these two very brave women

602
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,840
chaining themselves to bench i mean it

603
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,840
was a very very brave protest

604
00:27:54,799 --> 00:28:00,000
biata enjoys a warm welcome home

605
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,640
but whether klaus barbie is any closer

606
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,640
to justice

607
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:18,619
no

608
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,619
[Music]

609
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,640
months pass

610
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:25,279
barbie remains free

611
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:30,039
the bolivian supreme court still hasn't

612
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:30,039
ruled on france's extradition request

613
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:36,000
frustrated by the delay the clars fells

614
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:38,799
hatch a daring and dangerous new plan

615
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:43,080
they are going to kidnap klaus barbie

616
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:43,080
and smuggle him to france

617
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,799
sarris travels to santiago chile we

618
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:50,960
wanted justice

619
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:55,200
he meets with the former revolutionary

620
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,200
who once fought alongside che guevara

621
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,919
register

622
00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:02,320
decided to help us in kidnapping klaus

623
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:06,080
barbie first from bolivia by car

624
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:08,640
crossing the border to go to chile

625
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:12,440
dubray tells serge he knows just the

626
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,440
right people for the job

627
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,080
we arrived at the border of chile and

628
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,520
bolivia

629
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,480
and we met

630
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:28,080
gustavo sanchez salazar who is

631
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:31,279
his friend from the army he told us that

632
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:34,960
an attempt of kidnapping is possible

633
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:37,039
between la paz and kosha bambap

634
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,440
because barbie we had a business in

635
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:40,440
kosher bombay

636
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,440
we had to pay the money to buy a car

637
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,720
and the car was needed in order to

638
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:55,640
capture klaus barbie

639
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,640
i gave the money five thousand dollars

640
00:29:57,919 --> 00:30:03,200
after weeks of planning

641
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:04,640
the kidnap plot is finally underway

642
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,559
our friend

643
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:10,159
who took the money and bought the car

644
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:10,159
had an accident with the car

645
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:18,799
and so we had to to abandon this plan

646
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,080
it was impossible to make the attempt

647
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:22,799
it is a stunning blow for the

648
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:27,760
clarksvilles

649
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:27,760
barbie may never be tried for his crimes

650
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:32,320
despite the setbacks sarish and biata

651
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,880
never waver

652
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,600
through the 70s they remain determined

653
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,399
to bring klaus barbie to trial

654
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,840
it's

655
00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:44,559
very very hard during 10 years to have

656
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,559
the same strengths and the same will

657
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,440
their life since then has just been one

658
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,080
long

659
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,640
very very hardly fought campaign against

660
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,640
injustice

661
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:59,120
it's a great responsibility when you

662
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,120
start a fight

663
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:06,399
which is a fight known by the media the

664
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:06,399
public opinion and so on

665
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,640
august 1981

666
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,640
klaus barbie has new hunters on his

667
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,640
trail

668
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:24,000
new york times photographer marissa bell

669
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:26,640
schumacher and freelance reporter peter

670
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,640
mcferrin

671
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:32,880
i began investigating the links between

672
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,440
the nazis the paramilitary the military

673
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,320
and cocaine traffickers

674
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:41,919
barbie is now living in cochabamba a

675
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:44,559
city 400 kilometers southeast of la paz

676
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:47,039
in recent years he's made himself a key

677
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:49,760
figure in the bolivian underworld aiding

678
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:50,799
the cocaine barons who now control the

679
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,320
government

680
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:56,399
klaus barbie became the leader of a gang

681
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,039
of torturers and killers working for the

682
00:31:56,399 --> 00:32:02,240
military dictatorship

683
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:04,320
and they're called the fiancees of death

684
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,000
barbie issues them with orders to go and

685
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,120
do what they like and basically murder

686
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,039
and pillage

687
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,880
capturing political opponents torturing

688
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:12,840
them and murdering them for

689
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,919
a group of right-wing generals in

690
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,919
bolivia these were criminals

691
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:20,000
and barbie worked with these criminals

692
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:22,880
and opened doors for them he's like a

693
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,840
pigging clover um he's made an honorary

694
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,640
colonel

695
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,799
and uh he starts becoming in charge of

696
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,519
uh suppressing resistance movements in

697
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:34,159
bolivia and it's even rumored that klaus

698
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:39,279
barbie played a role in the

699
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:39,279
capture and assassination of che guevara

700
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,399
marisa schumacher and i decided to go to

701
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,880
cochabamba

702
00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:48,640
to track down klaus barbie i had a

703
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,559
friend in cochabamba who was a

704
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,880
journalist who also worked at the local

705
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:55,840
phone company

706
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,640
and he was able to identify the area

707
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,640
that he was living in

708
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,960
peter mcferrin began ringing the

709
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:06,399
doorbell so he would come out

710
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,399
but he didn't feel like coming out

711
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:13,120
we probably were standing in front of

712
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,559
klaus barbie or klaus altman's home for

713
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,440
about half an hour

714
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,440
you know

715
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,120
knocking on the door you know hoping for

716
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,440
him to come out police were from new

717
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,440
york

718
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,360
you saw them through the window and

719
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,640
realized they were journalists

720
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,000
after a while

721
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,279
klaus barbie came to the window

722
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,480
and

723
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:38,020
we told him we'd like to interview him

724
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:40,159
and it was a matter of seconds later

725
00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:43,279
[Music]

726
00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:46,720
that a couple vans pulled out and people

727
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,720
came out with machine guns

728
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:54,320
military police arrived detained them

729
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:54,320
and confiscated their photos

730
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,720
a complete surprise a shock for us we

731
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:01,840
were obviously terrified especially

732
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,679
because madison schumacher was expecting

733
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,679
and they took us to the military

734
00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:06,679
headquarters

735
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,560
but it just happened so fast before we

736
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,800
realized that we were in military

737
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,720
barracks

738
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,639
they basically threatened to torture us

739
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:21,520
and they were obviously very threatening

740
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:23,599
in their tone

741
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,919
and their big concern was how were we

742
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:29,679
able to track down barbie who was our

743
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:29,679
source how did we find him

744
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,399
the worst part was the threatening to

745
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,480
take our fingernails out

746
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:38,399
and then i think they soon realized that

747
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,720
they made a big mistake arresting two

748
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:43,520
people who were working on this story

749
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:43,520
for the new york times

750
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:49,000
so after a few hours we were let go

751
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:54,399
we got out in the first flight we could

752
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,000
and we went back to la paz and two or

753
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:58,960
three days later the new york times

754
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,200
published a front page story

755
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:04,560
about the nazis about the paramilitary

756
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,560
about the cocaine traffickers

757
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,440
hours later i received a series of death

758
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,119
threats i was advised by friends and

759
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,480
family you better get out of living very

760
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:14,480
quickly

761
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,720
and i caught the next flight out with

762
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,720
puerto rico

763
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,200
[Music]

764
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:25,280
bobby didn't disappear from

765
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,359
bolivia because

766
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,560
he did not believe that he will be

767
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:32,640
arrested he thought he was untouchable

768
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,720
and he also made sure that he had

769
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,560
relationships that allowed him to stay

770
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,960
in bolivia

771
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,800
the fall of 1981 brings political

772
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,359
upheaval to bolivia

773
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,079
a pro-democracy movement forces out the

774
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:48,079
country's authoritarian regime

775
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:50,880
the president who took over was left of

776
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:53,200
center hernandez

777
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,760
and it was clear that he was not going

778
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,079
to allow barbie to continue in bolivia

779
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,240
when times get liberal things aren't so

780
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:02,320
good for someone like klaus barbie

781
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:04,400
the class felt realised that it might be

782
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,480
possible to try and get

783
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,359
either the french or the west germans to

784
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:12,000
extradite barbie the fact that democracy

785
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:15,359
returned to bolivia

786
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,359
was the beginning of his end

787
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,920
bolivia is no longer a safe haven for

788
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,160
klaus barbie

789
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,240
seizing the moment sarish turns to the

790
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:31,440
most powerful man in france

791
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:34,079
president francois mitterrand

792
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,079
we've convinced mitterrand to support an

793
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,960
operation

794
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:39,760
to

795
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:43,680
arrest bobby and to

796
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,680
send him back to france

797
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,359
but to pull it off

798
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,200
they need help from the new democratic

799
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:50,720
libyan government

800
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,040
the bolivians realize actually they've

801
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:55,520
got something they can pick barbie up on

802
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,680
he owes them ten thousand dollars for

803
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,359
not shipping these supplies that he was

804
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,119
meant to have shipped and he says well

805
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:02,560
i'll pay you and they go we'll pay us

806
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,760
now and he says well i don't have the

807
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,079
money on me says right you're under

808
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,079
arrest

809
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,839
klaus didn't have that kind of money he

810
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,599
had about five thousand dollars

811
00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:16,640
so he gets sent to prison and he can't

812
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,640
quite believe this has happened

813
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:27,359
ten thousand dollars not a lot of money

814
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:27,359
but will be very expensive for barbie

815
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,160
i spoke to the lawyer to find some way

816
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:36,480
to solve that problem but i couldn't

817
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,480
finally

818
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:45,119
eventually the money is paid

819
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,280
the bolivians then say well you've paid

820
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:49,040
the money but you owe us the interest

821
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,560
and he goes well we can't get the

822
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,560
interest it's the weekend well too bad

823
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,320
if you can't get off the money um you're

824
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,440
going to have to be kicked out of this

825
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,880
country

826
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:01,280
bobby knows that they're out to get him

827
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:04,400
now serge finds that the new bolivian

828
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:07,200
regime has some familiar faces

829
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,280
our friend salazar who had

830
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,880
been exiled in chile came back in this

831
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,680
new government

832
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,839
gustavo sanchez salazar head of the

833
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,640
ministry of security

834
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:22,079
cancelled his bolivian naturalization

835
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,880
because he lied when he arrived

836
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,040
on

837
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:28,720
his nazi pass

838
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:31,359
like that he could be expelled from

839
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:33,280
bolivia

840
00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:34,800
and he thinks it's not a problem because

841
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,000
in some way like barbie always does

842
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,520
he'll rig her out of it or if he's

843
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,200
bought to trial he'll be able to

844
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,200
convince the jury that he's innocent

845
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:48,320
but klaus barbie's long exile in south

846
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:51,040
america is at an end

847
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,359
officers escort a decoy from the jail

848
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,880
while barbie is quietly taken out a side

849
00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:57,040
entrance

850
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,359
he thinks he's going to germany

851
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,839
where he assumes he'll get a sympathetic

852
00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:01,839
hearing

853
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:07,040
he's taken to the airport there's a

854
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,480
bolivian justice minister says to him

855
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,000
you know what do you think of you know

856
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,640
all the evil you've done and bobby's

857
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,520
very non-committal

858
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[Music]

859
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,640
so he gets on this planet

860
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:35,280
the plane lands destination unknown for

861
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,280
barbie as yet

862
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,359
and the only voices he hears they aren't

863
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,160
german voices they're french voices and

864
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:44,560
it's at that point he realizes that the

865
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,560
game is up for him he is in the land of

866
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,640
his enemy now it's not actually france

867
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,200
it's french guyana but it's french

868
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,200
territory

869
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:57,359
on the airport tarmac in cayenne guyana

870
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:00,720
klaus barbie is officially charged with

871
00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:00,720
crimes against humanity

872
00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:07,199
[Music]

873
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the final leg of the journey takes

874
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:15,910
barbie to leon france

875
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:20,960
scene of his atrocities 40 years before

876
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:23,680
[Music]

877
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,160
we were at home

878
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,319
they called us to tell us that he is in

879
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,480
the play

880
00:40:28,319 --> 00:40:32,400
tonight klaus barbie was brought back to

881
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,400
the french city where he earned the name

882
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,560
the butcher of lyon

883
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,200
under heavy guard barbie entered mont

884
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,920
luke prison the same prison where 40

885
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,840
years ago the ex-gestapo chief is said

886
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,400
to have tortured and killed

887
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:50,000
[Music]

888
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,720
on television we saw the rival when

889
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:56,400
klaus barbie entered the place where he

890
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,400
had committed the crimes

891
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:05,720
when he was deported to lyon in 1983

892
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,720
my mother was happy beyond belief

893
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,640
a police motorcade takes the ex gestapo

894
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,560
officer to the court

895
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:15,680
the barbie trial is one of the key

896
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:18,000
moments in french 20th century history

897
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,880
klaus barbie faces multiple counts of

898
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:24,079
crimes against humanity among the team

899
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,800
of prosecutors is serge klarsfeld we

900
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:30,000
believe that we will be convicted

901
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,000
because he was guilty

902
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:34,160
barbie once told me they are always

903
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,119
going to want to do something but i am

904
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,119
in the hands of destiny

905
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,040
his attitude did not change there was

906
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:46,000
absolutely no remorse for what he had

907
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,800
done and never never never a sign of

908
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,280
regret never a word of regret and no

909
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,000
word of the victims you know

910
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,319
on july 4th 1987

911
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,440
16 years after the clarksvilles began

912
00:41:56,319 --> 00:42:00,400
their hunt

913
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,240
barbie is found guilty

914
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,000
the former gestapo chief showed no

915
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,450
emotion as a sentence of life

916
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,480
imprisonment was passed

917
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:10,720
[Music]

918
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i was satisfied but i wasn't filled with

919
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:14,880
hatred or vengeance

920
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:18,880
it was an historic judgment and that was

921
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,880
the goal for my mother too

922
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,359
until

923
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:26,000
then never you saw somebody a group of

924
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:28,319
jews bringing to justice nazi criminals

925
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,760
by trial

926
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i see them as as as evil hunters and

927
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,400
they were determined to track somebody

928
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,960
down who'd committed so much evil

929
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,200
and that's admirable

930
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,880
it was important to see that this object

931
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:47,280
and awful and brutal klaus barbie

932
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,680
in front of his judges was brought to

933
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,680
justice

934
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you have to pay one day for the crime to

935
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commit

936
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[Music]

937
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[Music]

938
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[Music]

939
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[Music]

940
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you